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If Schweinsteiger and Podolski lack motivation at Club level and excel at NT level there is something wrong with this picture beyond themselves. Maybe Hitzfeld was not the right motivator and Loew is.

I personally raised big questions about Hilzfeld here many times for being dogmatic with a rigid week-after-week 4-4-2 formation and most players already leveled in one position. He lacks Loew’s creativity of changing to different schemes depending on players availability and specific skills, type of opponent or game plan. Just look at how Loew’s found the way to insert Podolski in the team without benching Gomez, he put him as a midfielder and to compensate he fielded Fritz (who is better on defense on the other side, so Ballack can go more often to help on Podolski’s side when the team transitions to defense) then look at what Loew’s does when he loses Frings and benches Gomez, goes to a 4-5-1. Hitzfeld is not capable of doing this and a creative coach is a natural motivator, if you know your position in the field already has a name there is little you can do from the bench to prove yourself, if you know your coach can change the scheme and sometimes have 3 strikers, or 5 midfielders, or move a striker to the midfield, or a fullback to the midfield, you know you have a chance.

Ironically, Hilzfeld plays the same formation game after game, keeping the same players game after game on the bench and when Bayern gets trashed by Zenit he claims “the players were exhausted”. He exhausted the players! As somebody pointed out here he did not accomplish anything this last season: he badly lost in Europe against a team with a ridiculous budget, while he struggled to pass another Tier II team. The fact that he won the BL sitting on a sack of gold with all the money Bayern spent on players does not tell me much, he would have been humiliated in the CL if he would have played it.

I hope Schweinsteiger and Podolski stay to play for Klinsmann and they will show the talent that we all know they have, but I am afraid that if Germany ends up winning Euro 2008, both of them, along with Philip Lahm will be heading to England.

Jorge wrote:If Schweinsteiger and Podolski lack motivation at Club level and excel at NT level there is something wrong with this picture beyond themselves. Maybe Hitzfeld was not the right motivator and Loew is.

I personally raised big questions about Hilzfeld here many times for being dogmatic with a rigid week-after-week 4-4-2 formation and most players already leveled in one position. He lacks Loew’s creativity of changing to different schemes depending on players availability and specific skills, type of opponent or game plan. Just look at how Loew’s found the way to insert Podolski in the team without benching Gomez, he put him as a midfielder and to compensate he fielded Fritz (who is better on defense on the other side, so Ballack can go more often to help on Podolski’s side when the team transitions to defense) then look at what Loew’s does when he loses Frings and benches Gomez, goes to a 4-5-1. Hitzfeld is not capable of doing this and a creative coach is a natural motivator, if you know your position in the field already has a name there is little you can do from the bench to prove yourself, if you know your coach can change the scheme and sometimes have 3 strikers, or 5 midfielders, or move a striker to the midfield, or a fullback to the midfield, you know you have a chance.

Ironically, Hilzfeld plays the same formation game after game, keeping the same players game after game on the bench and when Bayern gets trashed by Zenit he claims “the players were exhausted”. He exhausted the players! As somebody pointed out here he did not accomplish anything this last season: he badly lost in Europe against a team with a ridiculous budget, while he struggled to pass another Tier II team. The fact that he won the BL sitting on a sack of gold with all the money Bayern spent on players does not tell me much, he would have been humiliated in the CL if he would have played it.

I hope Schweinsteiger and Podolski stay to play for Klinsmann and they will show the talent that we all know they have, but I am afraid that if Germany ends up winning Euro 2008, both of them, along with Philip Lahm will be heading to England.

Juve Offer Cash Plus Tiago For Schweinsteiger
According to the Corriere dello Sport, Juventus are set to offer cash plus Tiago Mendes to Bayern Munich in the hope of signing Bastian Schweinsteiger.

The Bianconeri are working feverishly in the hope of signing a top class midfielder ahead of next season.

The club’s three primary transfer targets all look unlikely to join. Liverpool’s Xabi Alonso has had second thoughts over a move, the transfer of Inter’s Dejan Stankovic has hit problems following a protest from Bianconeri fans, while the chances of capturing Roma’s Alberto Aquilani have always been slim.

The Corriere says that Juve have now stepped up their efforts to sign Bayern Munich’s Bastian Schweinsteiger.

The 23-year-old had a poor club season for Bayern, however he has been very impressive for Germany at Euro 2008, scoring in both the quarter final and semi final wins over Portugal and Turkey respectively.

Juve first made contact with Bayern regarding the player a couple of weeks ago, and they are now set to make an official transfer bid, offering cash plus midfield flop Tiago Mendes in exchange for the player.

However Schweinsteiger is also wanted by Milan and a host of Premier League teams, and the player recently admitted that England was his favoured destination.

Yuck, while I wouldn't mind selling Schweini since chances are he'll probably be rubbish when he comes back from EURO, Tiago's even worse! Cash only, please!

FCBinNYC wrote:Yuck, while I wouldn't mind selling Schweini since chances are he'll probably be rubbish when he comes back from EURO, Tiago's even worse! Cash only, please!

agreed why trade a supposable flop in schweiny according to most people on this forum for a even huger and actual flop in tiago??

I hope that their fourth transfer target will fail too

I wisht that he well stay....

Well as of right now if your going to sell Schweni this is the time his stock has raised soo much over the past month where we can actually get some realy money for him

I read earlier that people think hitzfiled itsnt a good motivater and if that is true then PERFECT guys we hav jurgen Klinsmen the most energentic coach coming here to bayern. I bealive that schweni took the next step in his career over this tournement



I bealive we must keep him if we dont we would be making a big mistake..... you guys are gonna laugh but i think schweni is our Christiano Ronaldo not so much on skill level but both players have Heart and Determination even tho germany lsot yesterday Schweni still never gave up in till that ref blew that final wisthle

Huggseybear31 wrote:Well as of right now if your going to sell Schweni this is the time his stock has raised soo much over the past month where we can actually get some realy money for him

I read earlier that people think hitzfiled itsnt a good motivater and if that is true then PERFECT guys we hav jurgen Klinsmen the most energentic coach coming here to bayern. I bealive that schweni took the next step in his career over this tournement



I bealive we must keep him if we dont we would be making a big mistake..... you guys are gonna laugh but i think schweni is our Christiano Ronaldo not so much on skill level but both players have Heart and Determination even tho germany lsot yesterday Schweni still never gave up in till that ref blew that final wisthle

I love bayern so much and as much as it kills me to say it i think we should sell shwieni.
As a german i have to say that Bayern holds the future of the mannschaft (poldi, shwieni, lahm, jensen, kroos,ottel), and only one out of those is getting regular first team football at bayern (lahm), i know to bayern fans the club might come first but as a nation our national team should come first.
As painful as it is to say, i think we should let at least 3 of the above players to leave to develop and become better players, we dont have to sell them we can just loan them to a team that guarantees them first team football, untill we have a place for them in the first team.
I dont want us to become like england struggling to pick 22 players, because of their lack of experience and playing time. English players are setting on the sidelines which stopping their development and thats why their national team is suffering badly.
We all love bayern but lets not be selfish.

shwas55 wrote:

Huggseybear31 wrote:Well as of right now if your going to sell Schweni this is the time his stock has raised soo much over the past month where we can actually get some realy money for him

I read earlier that people think hitzfiled itsnt a good motivater and if that is true then PERFECT guys we hav jurgen Klinsmen the most energentic coach coming here to bayern. I bealive that schweni took the next step in his career over this tournement



I bealive we must keep him if we dont we would be making a big mistake..... you guys are gonna laugh but i think schweni is our Christiano Ronaldo not so much on skill level but both players have Heart and Determination even tho germany lsot yesterday Schweni still never gave up in till that ref blew that final wisthle

I love bayern so much and as much as it kills me to say it i think we should sell shwieni.
As a german i have to say that Bayern holds the future of the mannschaft (poldi, shwieni, lahm, jensen, kroos,ottel), and only one out of those is getting regular first team football at bayern (lahm), i know to bayern fans the club might come first but as a nation our national team should come first.
As painful as it is to say, i think we should let at least 3 of the above players to leave to develop and become better players, we dont have to sell them we can just loan them to a team that guarantees them first team football, untill we have a place for them in the first team.
I dont want us to become like england struggling to pick 22 players, because of their lack of experience and playing time. English players are setting on the sidelines which stopping their development and thats why their national team is suffering badly.
We all love bayern but lets not be selfish.

yeah,but that goes only for germans and i don't think there are many here...

I don't see Schweini becoming consistent. He is capable of great games, but lacks the fight to really push himself into a great performance when he needs to. Maybe he needs to leave his comfort zone (Bayern) and fight for a spot somewhere else. I think Poldi is someone that could get into the team and start in place of Klose. Then again, he might be too sensitive for the big teams like Bayern.

So Poldi should stay and Schweini can leave if Hleb and 16-20 million are coming to Bayern.

Yea I am a fan of Bayern with my life and soul but I cant be such a fan for germany cuz I am from Slovenia

german fans will agree with me please anyone????

I THINK IF HLEB IS COMING SCHWEINI SHOULD LEAVE AND OTTL SHOULD BE LOANED SCHWEINI MIGHT THINK TO GO TO INTER.You see ballck with the spirit gained from mourinho he is one of the best footballers in the world so might be schweini but must go early to gain peak form in no time.Ottl is a player i really admire he plays in my same position so i see him as a idol for me.He should be loaned in england or france i think ther he could be a good player.but none of them will go.They love there place and football club like de rossi So they will never be sold.

shwas55 wrote:german fans will agree with me please anyone????

I am a little older than most posters here and I have been a Bayern and Germany fan since the 70's.

I partially agree with you, mainly because Klinsmann might bring a new dimension to Bayern's game and there might be a place as a starter for Shwieni (he has to compete for a spot in the right wing with Sosa, Altintop and Kroos) IMO he can manage to break through, if he goes to Juventus or Tottenham he might not get a starting spot either, I remember one of Germany's most promising players who went to England very young: Robert Huth, putting aside his injuries: what England has done for him?.

Of all the young German prospects at Bayern Podolski is the one who needs to leave for the sake of Germany and his own. He has the potential to become one of the best attacking midfielders/ strikers in the world and Bayern has slowed him down in the last two years. If Klose recovers his form there is no place for him at Bayern, the left wing on the midfield where he can also play is owned by Ribery. I hope Podolski goes to Cologne for two years to find his rhythm with regular play, excels at National team level and lands a good contract in a top European team in two years. He has the potential for that.